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I have a Thompson Auto Ordnance 1927 a1 model carbine chambered in.45 acp. The serial number on the firearm is 174, which from what i was able to research dates the manufacture to 1975. I also have a Thompson Auto Ordnance 1927 a3 model chambered in.22 lr. Good luck finding someone who's willing to pay more than street price for a new made Thompson / Auto Ordnance. Based on the AO 1911 I had, I wouldn't pay wholesale price for an AO product. I doubt that a low serial number on a new made firearm currently in production is going to command any premium on the new or used market. I'd shoot it and enjoy.

I am trying to find the modal of my dad's Auto Ordnance 1911 .45 Auto.
It is parkerized and looks like the standard GI type 1911
Takes single stack mags.
All it says on left side of slide is:
An outline of a bullet w/ Thompson inside of it.
Right next to that, it reads:
Auto-Ordnance Corp.
.45 Caliber Automatic
Right side of lower has:
Auto Ordnance Corp
West Hurley, N.Y.
AOC33--6
The dashes are actually numbers but for privacy I'll leave those out.
There are no other marking anywhere to be found.
He has no idea how old it is so I was hoping somebody here could help.
We just want to know if there is actually a model and about when it was made.
Thanks in advance.

Analysis of Serial NumbersAnalysis ofSerial NumbersThe ColtPatent Firearms Company ofHartford Connecticut was contracted by Auto-Ordnance to manufacture the first15000 Thompson sub-machine guns from April 1921 to May 1922. Contract was signedon 18 th August 1920. All were marked “Model of 1921” and bore aserial number which was placed in four locations on the gun on the first 1000and then in three locations with the rest.The firstcommercial production gun was numbered 41 and was shipped on 31 stMarch 1921– numbers 1 to 40 were all considered prototypes and remain to thisday in Museums in the US. Early guns were designated Model of 1919 and somewere belt fed ammunition and only full automatic.The sixth gunmanufactured was serial number 46 and was the first gun consigned toAuto-Ordnance in the name of their salesman George Gordon Rorke on 2 ndApril.

This gun was sold to the Irish Republican Army (IRA).During firstmonth of production, 28 Thompson guns were shipped to the IRA via George GordonRorke, salesman for Auto-Ordnance.During February1921 a group of men, all with obvious Irish surnames, ordered 50 Thompson gunsfrom a salesman of Auto – Ordnance under the name of P.J. Gentry of New York whowas a saloon-keeper on Manhattan’s Lower West Side and frontman for the IRA.On May 25 ththese were delivered and within days, the guns, the men and Mr. Gentry haddisappeared.In March 1921the first Thompson guns were produced by Colt and were sent to Auto-Ordnance forhand finishing and inspection. The first two guns were shipped in the name of aMr.

Wise, a front man for the IRA.These guns weretested by their Irish “purchasers” Sean Nunan (later to become Ireland’sAmbassador to the US!) and Laurence de Lacy (also known as Frank Williams) atthe 69 th Regimental Armoury. The two guns soon left for Irelandhidden in the luggage of Irish American military officers Cronin and Dineen(later to take commissions in the Irish Army) who were sent to Ireland to trainthe IRA in the guns’ use.Auto-Ordnancesalesman Rorke placed and order for his Irish clients on April 5 thcomprising 500 guns, 125 (x100) drums, 250 (x50) drums and 1000 (x20) boxmagazines.Clann na Gael,Irish fund raising organisation in the US, maintained an arms dump at LaFontaine Avenue in the Bronx, New York. Other weapons of all ages were storedhere along with ammunition destined fro the struggle in Ireland.

25 Thompsonguns arrived there during April 1921, another 30 on May 6 th, another45 on May 11 th with further deliveries of 240 guns in total on 18 th,19 th, 20 th and 21 st May. By end of May 400Thompsons were amassed at the Bronx warehouse.A number ofaddresses of convenience were recorded in the meticulously kept Auto-Ordnancecompany records. This enabled guns to be sold to the Irish but give theimpression of different business customers. While it is not certain all were IRAconduits, some were. Of interest were:American RailwayExpress Company of46 th Street, New Yorkwere used as afront for the purchase of guns sold by G.G.Rorke for in April, May and June some306 were ‘shipped’ there.

A definite IRA purchase.Milton Kohn ExportCorporation on Panama Railroad & Steamship Company of New Yorkwere shipped 29guns.Moore-Handley ofBirmingham Alabamawere shipped 16guns.Logan Hardware &Supply of Logan, West Virginiawere shipped 5guns.W.S.Brown, 523 WoodStreet, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvaniawas shipped 7guns.P.J. Gentry of NewYorkwas shipped 50guns. A definite IRA purchase.Thomas F Ryan, 3East 67 th Street, New Yorkwas shipped 2guns. The senior Director of Auto-Ordnance.Morgan, Salesman forAuto-OrdnanceWas consignedduring April guns #69, #75 and #66 – the latter now with Bapty & Co. London,movie prop business.Captain Geo T.Wise,Washingtom DCwas shipped 7guns. Serial numbers 42 and 43 were shipped on 24 th March in his nameand with connection “USMC Navy Order”.

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From the Auto-Ordnance very firstshipping chart week ending 9 th April 1921, the third line records thesale of two guns #42 and #43 dated 24 th March 1921 destination CaptG.T. Wise C/o Frank Ochsenreiter of Washington. The order had been pre-paid.With the order came 10 (XX) magazine, 4 (L) drums, 2 (C ) drums, 2 webbing guncases, 6 webbing magazine cases, 1 handbook.Ochsenreiterwas a salesman colleague of George Rorke and fellow member of the Friends forIrish Freedom. He worked for another of Fortune Ryan’s companies at the time.Interstinglygun #811 sold to Geo.Wise was captured by the Royal Ulster Constabulary inNorthern Ireland in an IRA arms dump.Captain H.B.C.Pollard, London Englandwas shipped 14guns – four on 26 th April plus 10 on 5 th May.

The Captain,Hugh Bertie Campbell Pollard, was born 6 th January 1888, served as anOfficer in WW1 in Intelligence, and in 1920 was appointed as an Intelligenceofficer on the Staff of the Chief of Police Ireland. He was an authority inmodern and ancient firearms and had written several notable books (The Story ofYpres in 1917, The Book of the Pistol and Revolver in 1917, Automatic Pistols in1921 and Secret Societies of Ireland in 1922).He was ajournalist for the Daily Express from 1912.During WW1 he was on the StaffIntelligence Directorate at the War Office and then was listed at the IrishOffice 1920-1922 based at Dublin Castle. Vlc player for smart tv. His title was Press Officer with PoliceAuthority Information Section. He was instrumental in putting the British sideduring the propaganda was with the IRA and would have been under the threat ofassassination by the IRA during his Irish stay.

During 1936 he was personallyinvolved in the Spanish Civil War by flying Franco to Spain. During WW2 Pollardserved as a British M16 officer.In his work“Secret Societies of Ireland” published in July 1922 fresh from his stint asPress Officer in Dublin Castle, he made reference on several pages to theThompson gun in Ireland. He described it as “no longer than a carbine, andweighing only 8lbs, is to all effects a short range machine gun, capable offiring one thousand rounds a minute.

It is extremely portable and very easilyconcealed”. He refered to the capture by the British of IRA documents in May1921 outlining the deployment of the gun around Ireland and identifying oftargets.He recorded that the British had been interested in the gun too and hadconfronted John Thompson and manager Morgan when they were in Britaindemonstrating the gun.The two denied all knowledge of the Irish shipment and asa result the interest was dropped.He said that it was the British who blew thewhistle on the East Side shipment.He was aware that serial numbers could betraced. Of the 600 purchased, only 495 were seized on the ship, the balance hewrote, had made their way to Ireland before and after the July 1921 Truce.Several timesPollard wrote that the first use of the Thompson Gun in Ireland was during theIRA burning of the Customs House in Dublin on 25 th May 1921 whichresulted in large scale capture of IRA men and materials. He said the gun‘jammed badly and inflicted no casualties on the police engaged’. The IRArecords do not support this assertion.This was aningenious cover for IRA purchases.In police armsseizures back in Ireland, two guns shipped to H.D.